Island Radio Operated Car Club
Racing Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: on March 10, 2006, 02:04:23 PM
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i was reading this agenda........and noticed we are required to pay another 20$ membership fee..............my question is i know in past seasons i have been involved in when we pay are membership fee at begining of 12 scale it was a one year fee and i very well could be wrong here but i thought it was stated at the 12 scale meeting last year that it was again a one year membership fee................ i tried to look up the minutes from that meeting to see if i was mistaken but they are not to be found.......
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The minutes are still available; you'll just have to look harder for them. Try here: http://irocc.ca/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=128
The reason behind the additional membership fee is that the two seasons are entirely different in some fundamental ways.
The 1/12 scale membership includes a handout motor that you must run in your 1/12 scale car. Many people who only run during the summer would object to having to pay to get a motor that they don't want to use during the summer (regardless of how good the 1/12 scale motors are). Furthermore, people who start running in the summer are not going to be entitled to a free motor come 1/12 scale season if they haven't paid enough for it.
The fact that we run two distinct seasons with different groups of guys (many, but definately not all of which do both) means that a single, higher priced membership causes many administrative difficulties, as well as a bias towards certain racers. The better solution is to have seperate, moderately priced memberships for each season.
The additionaly money the club recieves through memberships will help us make the next few large purchaes that we need to continue our strong growth and excellent racing program. I expect that what you say is true about the past membership; if this is a problem than we will have to work out some sort of compramise. Personally, I feel the approach outlined in the current agenda will be more beneficial to the club and membership than a combined approach for the different seasons.
As I mentioned above, if this is a problem for people, we'll have to work some new scheme out, since I believe Doug has interpreted the intention of the 1/12 scale kickoff meeting correctly.
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its not really a problem but over the last couple years things just keep changing like one year you get a shirt and then you dont then one year your memebership is for a year then next minute its not............... it would just really be nice to set something up that sticks around so it isnt so confusing and different every time the season changes.........really 20 bucks isnt anything and i dont mind as the club has grown in size and strength with a pretty kick ass set up in winter and summer things just seem to keep getting better wich is awsome.........but again just to get something set up wich stays the same to keep things simple and expectable......
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I agree with you completely, which is why I think we're much better off having a seperate membership for each season. Trying to combine it only creates problems, as I'm sure you can see if you think about the handout motor situation, the tee-shirt situation, etc.
Handled seperately, this removes all those headaches and more.
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agreed there should be 2 seperate membership fees..........i guess this will be another topic at the meeting..... 8O
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IIRC our winter fee was $50 which included a $35 club motor and I don't think we paid for the first day of racing either which was $15 - that means there wasn't any fee for winter racing....
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50 bucks for a motor that would cost 50 at a hobby shop. so really buy a motor get a free membership. In the summer we had a 20 dollar fee or something and got a 20 dollar shirt. Free memberships!
I too would rather see a fee twice a year that didnt include anything. Need a shirt? buy one. Need some traction wash? buy some. Need a club motor? buy one. Like Tom said this would keep it simple and manageable especially since some poeple only race one season or the other.
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hmmmmm as said before i agree there should be 2 membership fees but i do not recall paying a membership fee for summer racing before!...as for getting something with the fee .........thats another story i do belevie we should get something mabye atleast a card....after all our race fees should be covering most of the clubs cost as summer fees have doubled and tripled in some cases and especially for summer racing there is next to no cost for the lot as im sure a permit isnt much and other than some boards there has been no improvments, winter on the other hand cost alot more to run so a membership fee...without motor or ect... is expectable and really this club i think has jumped into some things a little too quickly such as our last trailer we bought now we are talking about buying another one well mabye we should have thought a little more on that idea before we got it and we could have got a bigger one right away instead of having to buy a second one... as the little one is no good for winter and can barly hold our summer stuff and wouldnt be able to if we aquire more stuff for summer.................well it lokks like this meeting will be interesting to say the least
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that is the longest sentence (actually I think you have two sentences there) I have ever seen.
I remember getting a shirt in the summer that came with a fee. Of course a card would be included I dont think there should be anything else.
The summer may be cheap overhead but that is when we bank some money to buy a trailer, timing systems, new carpet for next season etc etc etc etc. People seem to forget things COST, banking money is not a bad thing although most people in the club seem to think it is a bad thing. If those same people ran the club we would have NOTHING!!!!!
how can you say the cost for racing in the summer has tripled?
We ask almost nothing from the members in the way of cash outlay in this club (your RC racing gear aside) and yet we have all sorts of cool equipment and a professional track every week. I mean 10 bucks to race two classes (or a mere 5 bucks for one class) for 9 hours of fun on a sunday, there is nothing you can do except maybe sleep that costs less.
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hmmmmm as said before i agree there should be 2 membership fees but i do not recall paying a membership fee for summer racing before!...as for getting something with the fee .........thats another story i do belevie we should get something mabye atleast a card....after all our race fees should be covering most of the clubs cost as summer fees have doubled and tripled in some cases and especially for summer racing there is next to no cost for the lot as im sure a permit isnt much and other than some boards there has been no improvments, winter on the other hand cost alot more to run so a membership fee...without motor or ect... is expectable and really this club i think has jumped into some things a little too quickly such as our last trailer we bought now we are talking about buying another one well mabye we should have thought a little more on that idea before we got it and we could have got a bigger one right away instead of having to buy a second one... as the little one is no good for winter and can barly hold our summer stuff and wouldnt be able to if we aquire more stuff for summer.................well it lokks like this meeting will be interesting to say the least
I think you may have a virus on your computer that is causing the periods to bunch up and remove all the capitals from the begining of your sentances. You do realize that the "Shift" key doesn't type SHIFT when you press it right?
All razing aside... there is a lot of gear that is used for the track and needs to be replaced, etc. You're right - we don't pay for the parking lot but we did pay for the boards, hardware, lap counter, PA system, sprayer for the syrup, awning, etc, etc, etc. Money isn't thrown around willy nilly with the club and like Jody said there is nothing wrong planing ahead to pay for things like a new carpet for next season, etc. The Easter Bunny doesn't just drop this stuff off for us...
Good point though about making the club fees more consistant. I think we should keep them seperate between the seasons though. I thought the shirt and the motor was kind of a perk when it was joined with the fee....
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well when i started 3 years ago it was 5 bucks for a race day for both electric and nitro now its 5 per class so that will be 15 for some on top of 20 bucks.................so actually its more than triple,but dont get me wrong!!!! i do beleive we should pay a membership fee, i just would like something to be inplace that doesnt change everytime the club wants to buy something(sometimes for the second time)or (a clock that we dont even use).........just make something official and leave it in place so everytime a season starts its the same as the season before!
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and you also have to take into consideration some people who dont run 12 scale would actually be paying for the rest of us to run it when you talk like that for them it doesnt sound all the fair........as if i didnt run 12 scale id be pissed to find out i pay a member ship fee for carpet i dont even race on!................boards ......lol if the club asked the right people those boards wouldnt cost a thing and the sprayer we spray the track with....i think i seen one for 5 bucks at a garage sale so what does that have to do with it everything the club uses outdoors is already paid for with mabye the exception of the syrup we spray down which again if you asked the right people im sure we would pay nothing,.............,,,,,,,,,,,,............. you put them where you want if you need them
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I am not talking sprayers and syrup. I am talking trailers, sound systems scoring systems (of which we have had two since I have been there)
Asking someone for 10 bucks to race outdoors is not absurd, If you look at that as paying for indoor stuff that some people wont use..... ???
The mind boggles.
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Oh and I still think your math for saying the price has trippled is a little too creative. Counting the membership fee is crazy. Also setting one fee for the rest of time is also crazy. Nothing works like that
We could jsut ask everyone in the club to ante up 250 bucks everytime we need something expensive, maybe that would go over better.
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whatever...............i dont even no what were talkin about anymore.......this whole thread started because the club stated our last membership fee was for a year and that year isnt up yet and they want another fee.....................i have no problem payin a fee........and if it will make the DR. happy ill agree that the 15 ill pay this year to race isnt triple the 5 i paid when i started ,ok you got it
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one class has been 5, if you want to just race one class it is still five, no change. By increasing the number of classes available that isnt really an increase in the cost to race only if YOU want to race more, no one is being forced to pay for two or three classes and a third class doesnt exist at this point.
Also blaming needing a new trailer on IROCC miss-management pisses me off because we baught what we could afford at the time and no one predicted our outdoor club to grow the way it has. If we needed something bigger then (which we didnt) we would not have had the money anyway.
you are asking for a perfect world to be handed to you on a silver platter in my opinion.
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ok well when i first started racing it was 5 to race not per class........but thats besides the point 5 per class is good for the club .........but you want to get pissed off because anyone could have seen that the trailer we got was too small.............too bad if you couldnt see that the first day ....it as too small before the club grew............ and all we could afford then mabye we should have waited ,as before we had the trailer the stuff was still getting there.............but like i have said so many times before my only problem with theese fees is that it keeps changing and hasnt been the same 2 times in a row in the 3or4 years i been in the club..sorry if i like consistancy and only buying things once...................BAD DOG!
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So if we were going to wait before getting the current trailer, were you going to volunteer to haul the hose, drivers stand, etc. around in your car trunk?
If I recall correctly, we had several people volunteering the back of their pickup trucks to store the clubs equipment. I for one welcomed the current trailer when it was purchased.
You have some nerve second guessing the trailer issue in particular. I too dislike the idea of buying something twice, however the trailer still has resale value. If we decide to sell the current trailer after replacing it functionality wise, we should be able to get what we paid for it back, in which case it has more than paid for itself.
Who knows; the executive of the club may decide to keep it, so it becomes another asset. If there's a problem with that, then you should also have a problem with more than one roll of carpet to race on, more than one hose to lay out an outdoor track, or some similar absurd propisition.
I understand the concern about saying one thing about the membership fees and doing something else. This is because we made a mistake (in my opinion) in what we decided last fall. If correcting this mistake is a problem, we can decide to deal with it in a different way. It sounds as though nobody so far has a problem with fixing the mistake in the proposed manner.
Other than that, all I see is criticism about how the club has been run, with no constructive ideas on how to improve it. This has little value, and is rather inflamitory.
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incase you didnt notice a long time ago i have lots of nerve and yes if someone had asked i could have had a storage spot for all the stuff and a way to have it transported so whatever you want to say there is alot that could have been done but as i recal i was not at any meeting that involved discussions of buying our current trailer if i had i would have spoke up if there was even such a meeting!...............you guys can take my thoughts and call them whatever you want.................the trailer issure was only brought up as everyone keeps talking about all the money our club needs to charge to pay for the things we have and for the most point i agree but at the same time i think we could have been a little smarter and if you cant handle that too bad it isnt to put anyone down its more like lets learn from our mistakes and take the future into consideration.......................
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Well I guess the whole has been settled then. Doug has volunteered to find free storage and transportation for all the equipment. Now we don't need to charge anything for racing this year. Thanks Doug ! :)
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for free racing for every one..............im down!
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Doug, if you think you are taking heat here...wait till NITRO baby, when I look at all these long posts of yours here...all I see is fear of going outdoors dude ....yer scared. :twisted:
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i guess since i would be contributing to the club(behind the sceenes i wouldnt have to help with set up and tear down...........lol, seriously guys im not gonna argue about the trailer because i dont really care, my main concern is just membership fees and such set and not changed every 6 months...........is that too much to ask?as for missmanagment........for the record i dont think the club does do missmanage there finances quit the opposite the club does very good !!!far better than most i am sure
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damn Jody! you have figured me out...................lol,im just gonna step back and save the agression for the 20 min mains!
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Just curious as to what came about at the meeting or will it be announced on saturday?
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Give me some time to write up the minutes already!
Yeesh. Everyone wants things instantly.
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not instantly .............just yesterday!.......................lmao :lol:
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lol sorry i didnt mean a complete write up or nethign jsut jist of it lol!!!
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hey me too. I'm not looking for the complete write up. I just though there might be some discusion on here about the meeting and how thing went.
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It was horrible. Everyone got what they wanted including Doug - a complete disaster.
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O NO u know theres a problem when doggy is gettin his way :S
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k, i dont know if the meeting covered this and i missed it, or it was over looked, but when does the summer series actually start??
thanks,
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I believe that was on the agenda, but the first official race day will be run on April 30th, permit pending.
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Ok, gr8 my first season, looking forward to it. :D
Question:
I pay $20 to race the season, right, when do i pay, first race day?
And then how much more every race day?
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you can pay on the first race day, and i think its 5$ per class.
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Hey guys, keep us boys up here in the "Loops" informed of your race schedule this Summer season so that maybe we can make a race. Especially your Speed Weekend.
Thanks,
Brent
bwende@shaw.ca
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Hey Brent,
We certainly will! We're still waiting on final approval but our Speed Weekend will likely run on July 15th/16th.
See ya on the asphalt somewhere this summer for sure!
Blake
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i hope there will be a race up there again this year, it was fun last year!
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Thanks Blake, I will be looking at my work schedule. You can count on another race in September Doug. Just working out a summer race schedule now.
Take care guys...
Yak at ya soon.
Brent
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Yea no excuses this year Brent ;)
Any idea when your guy's race will be? Need to plan the summer (racing) holidays :)
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This race will be held in September for sure and I am looking at the 16th and 17th right now but that is not for sure yet. Will let you all know when it is definite.
Brent
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If my small voice counts for anything... I'm gone to England/Scotland from Sep 13 to 24. I'd really really like to go to your race so if its in the early stages of planing and you can work around those dates I'd love to show up. Would Sep 9/10 work instead?
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ya ur race was a blast last year, hpefully this year you'll have more of a turn out from your area.
its a must on my travel brochure