Quote from: FIVE 7
Hey,
Due to us holding the CORCS Final this year on the Labour Day weekend, we will be moving our On-Road race to July 31 to Aug 2 weekend. Hopefully this works for most of you and you can attend.
Thanks,
Brent
Is the Central Saanich Days Race not on that weekend as well?
-=light=-
Hi there.
Yes it is. Just check out their website. Always the first weekend in Aug. I have PM'd Brent.
P.
Yep, Phil is correct. CSD is always the August long weekend, which is Aug 1-3 this year. Hopefully Brent can make a change since it would suck to have to choose between these races.
Blake
Yes that would suck, well only for the Vic guys since the Kamloops guys dont have to make a choice (ie they dont come here EVER anyway.)
Here's a reply from Brent:
"I am really sorry but we are going to have to stick to our schedule. As much as it may impact us on attendance, we are simply not able to move the date. If we move it forward, it will conflict with our "Hot Nite in the City" show n Shine Downtown Kamloops and moving it back will put it too close to our "Kamloops Electric Off-Road Challenge" Race. Two big events within 3 weeks is just too much, especially for our small club and durring the summer months. We did however work our schedule around "Speedweekend" and there is talk of some of us making the trip down this year. We had no idea of the "Central Saanich Days Event". All of our club members voted on our schedule last weekend and agreed it was fine so I tried to work it around the CORCS races as well and even that wasn't easy. "
P.
that's to bad that they went ahead and put in on the weekend as I posted last sept that we had a race on that weekend
http://www.rctech.net/forum/4883720-post123.html (http://www.rctech.net/forum/4883720-post123.html)
who the hell has a fall classic in the middle of summer? cant see why it isnt in mid sept like it has been for the last how ever many years,owell sanich dayz here i come
It simplifies my fall travel plans is all.
Hmmm, that is a shame.
For the local IROCCers, I will need a "club consensus" decision on this before starting talks with Central Saanich. That is, if a large group of racers is heading to Kamloops, then I can't really promise Central Saanich that we'll be there this year.
As a "double shame", racers from Vancouver will now be faced with a decision of where to race that weekend. And I don't know that we'd win out on that one.
In partial defense to Kamloops, there are only so many weekends to go around, and it sounds like they didn't know about Central Saanich Days which is completely understandable.
Your thoughts all? And keep it clean....
Blake
Maybe we should talk about it at our 1st out door race.
Kamloops who?
I went... once, and for me, once was more than enough!
We should concentrate on running our race(s) and supporting our local sponsors and those that support IROCC year after year after year.
If the Kamloops racers want to show up that's fine, the more the merrier. If not, oh well...
It's not like they've made it to our Speed Weekend or Central Saanich Days races in years past.
As for the Van guys, and the up-island guys, I hope they choose to come visit and race with IROCC here in Victoria again.
Just MPO, for what it is worth.
Quote from: WhoDoYouThink on April 07, 2009, 09:30:15 PM
Kamloops who?
I went... once, and for me, once was more than enough!
We should concentrate on running our race(s) and supporting our local sponsors and those that support IROCC year after year after year.
If the Kamloops racers want to show up that's fine, the more the merrier. If not, oh well...
It's not like they've made it to our Speed Weekend or Central Saanich Days races in years past.
As for the Van guys, and the up-island guys, I hope they choose to come visit and race with IROCC here in Victoria again.
Just MPO, for what it is worth.
I agree. Supporting our local sponsors and those that support IROCC is important
Stay with our race if we pass on it this year what happens to the race in 2010?
Gorden
I'm sorry but Saanich days is also well established, it HAS to fall on a certain weekend, and that weekend is pre-determined and the same each year. I can tell you what day it will be four years from now.
In addition we often make a up significant number of entries at the kamloops race, more than from any other single region that attend the Fall Classic. That said our schedule, planned a year in advance, should have been weighted much heavier in their decision.
Furthermore we have had two major races back to back (within three weeks of each other) without a problem (last year) so that argument is a lame duck in my opinion also.
We shouldnt even be asking "who might go to kamloops" since we have race here.
We do as much as we can do accomodate everyone and kamloops has never made an appearance at one of our races.
And now they schedule a race on the same weekend as ours. Unacceptable, sorry but that is my opinion... especially considering the support we have shown them!!! not impressed.
Jody
While I for one won't speak badly of Kamloops, their club or their track ....
beer gardens, shade trees, a clean lacrosse box and multiple flush toilets have an undeniable appeal.
I would really hate to lose the goodwill of the Lions by missing one year of Central Saanich Days.
Quote from: weekend camper on April 08, 2009, 12:46:17 AM
While I for one won't speak badly of Kamloops, their club or their track ....
beer gardens, shade trees, a clean lacrosse box and multiple flush toilets have an undeniable appeal.
I would really hate to lose the goodwill of the Lions by missing one year of Central Saanich Days.
I don't think any one is speaking badly of them. Just the dates they are going to use. I for one also like
beer gardens, shade trees, a clean lacrosse box and multiple flush toilets ???
Thats what happens when you prethink your post and then type without thinking. :)
All I mean is that I would much rather go to Saanich and have a fantastic race location .... than not.
I know I was agreeing with you also.
Some info on the last Fall Touring Car Classic Race I added up the total drivers in the class's
and it works out to 51 cars out of them 22 are drivers from IROCC.
Quote from: light on April 08, 2009, 01:04:46 AM
I know I was agreeing with you also.
Some info on the last Fall Touring Car Classic Race I added up the total drivers in the class's
and it works out to 51 cars out of them 22 are drivers from IROCC.
opps missed the 19T A
that changes the numbers to 59 / 25 IROCC
In response to "whodoyouthink", I would like to appologize for your bad experience that you state you had in kamloops when you say:
"Kamloops who?" "I went... once, and for me, once was more than enough!".
I have always considered our races to be very good and well done. I have not attended one of your races there and mainly due to very limited time restrictions. As club president, I am extremely busy with working at the track, on fundraising for trophy races, administration, running local club races and then of course on top of that family, work and being a spouse to a self employed wife who always needs help as well....I just don't get away. We have family on the Island that we don't even get over to see. It is offensive to me to see this post. >:(
Like I explained, we tried our best to work around races dates but obviously can not accomodate everyone's. I am sorry that it happens to fall on your dates but this is where we are leaving it. As you already know, we are a very small club and we also have to work around our schedules and come up with the best dates for all 8-10 of us. Some of you mentioned that the TVRCRC'ers don't ever attend your races and therefore this date really shouldn't be a concern to you unless you wanted to join us, in that case you will need to make a decision on what you want to do with your race. We understand that you may have booked your race well in advance and therefore that you may not be joining us, I personally was not aware of the post and did not know about your Central Sannich Race dates.
Jody posted that this was a fall classic race...we want to clarify that. We had to move what we called our "fall classic" race to the August long weekend and we are calling it "Mid Summer Challenge". The only reason for this was because we are part of the CORCS series and this year is our turn to hold the final. Unfortunately, the finals are always labour day weekend which we have no control over. Therefore, rather then holding another large race two weeks later we decided to fit in best were we could in the summer like I explained in my previous PM. I know that you guys are able to hold large events very close to each other and that is a benefit to a larger club. We unfortunately, do not have a very large membership, especially inthe summer months. I can't do it all......
Again, I appologize that the dates conflict.
Brent :)
Brent,
I'm sorry if you took my post so personally, but as anyone who knows me will tell you, I usually speak my mind, and you always get my honest opinion.
The one year(5 or 6 years ago) I did go up to the race in Kamloops, I found the race and race entree turnout to be sub-par.
In fact, racers from Vancouver who were there Friday afternoon for practice were nowhere to be found Saturday or Sunday!
Had the four of us who made the mad dash all the way from Victoria to be there in time for practice on Friday afternoon scared them all away? I don't have an answer.
All I know was come Saturday and Sunday, there weren't too many others there.
As far as the actual racing went, it was rushed and disorganized with a horrible pit area out in the middle of nowhere, behind/beside the Rec Centre, poorly setup power sources, in fact, if memory serves me right the four of us charged our multi-class cars off the single battery in my van!
I remember a whole lot of hurry-up and waiting, race delays, too many piddly classes, MONSTER dots, equipment breaking perimeter piping, rough and uneven racing surface, and on and on. Not to mention the drivers stand in completely the wrong spot!(I've seen that has since been rectified)
In fact, I prefer not to remember too much about that road trip actually.
I do however remember thinking, "Hey, the four of us have made this trek and what have we got to show for it? We get to race against ourselves and few other racers? Come on! I gave up a race weekend at home to come here, I should have stayed at home and supported my fellow IROCC racers instead of making this trip."
To the point, I felt I had wasted money on ferries there and back, gas, food and accommodation.
As the years have gone by, I've participated in a lot of day to day activities in IROCC. Sourcing sponsors, setting up and tearing down track equipment, ensuring that I'm there before track set-up time(We don't live in the "City of Tournaments" so unfortunately, we don't have our own personal permanent track facility) and tear down afterwards and try to help out in any way I can. I've put a lot of time and effort in, as have many other IROCCers in order to make every race day a success. Even on rain-out race days, I try to remain optimistic and I am always looking for that bit of elusive blue sky!
Lately, I've watched as people that race in IROCC have gone on road trips(as I used to back in the day at race events like the Randy Shantz Memorial Race, the ROAR Canadian National 4 cell Championships held in Vancouver, and many other races put on by Roger Brown and others. Those races were always fun(except the time we raced in the Agrodome or whatever it was with all the steel and cement and radio interference problems!) with lots of competitors showing up to make the events worthwhile attending year after year.), but you know what happens in recent years to IROCC club events when core groups of people go away for a long weekend? It depletes our membership sufficiently that there aren't enough people left to really get a busy Sunday race schedule off the ground. As I said, with IROCC having to set-up and tear down the driver's stand, racetrack perimeter safety walls, inner walls, corner dots, pit lane, computer, etc., etc., each and every race day, it take a lot of bodies and coordinated effort to get it all done!
Personally speaking, I don't like the idea of supporting others when there isn't a reciprocal effort made.
Various IROCC members have been attending the Kamloops Club's races for years!
Some have really enjoyed it, with others, it left a bad taste in their mouth.
As far as our very successful SpeedWeekend Race and our Saanich Days Race, we've had repeat participants from as far away as Alberta attend both events. Now that's dedication and passion!
I've seen no such passion shown by either yourself or your club members.
For whatever reasons you care to come up with, those same work and/or family obligations apply to those of us in Victoria, yet there is always a group of IROCCers that find a way to get up to Kamloops!
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do get the feeling that there are those within IROCC that are disappointed that we make such an effort to spread our love of RC Racing and the fair and even competition that goes with it as far away as Kamloops, but don't see any of it in return.
Sorry if what I'm saying offends or offended you, but as I said, I'm brutally honest.
These are MY experiences and MY opinions, not the opinion of the IROCC Executive or Club Membership.
They can speak for themselves if they so wish.
This will be my last comment on this matter. It's been a long time coming!
Regards,
Nick
For me, I'm just disappointed to not have the opportunity for the usual fall road trip. The Kamloops race is always a great time!
I honestly can't fault Brent for not knowing that this date would overlap with our "other" race. I mean, it's not like we know the dates of other "off the map" races of other clubs. It's a shame that there's a conflict, but that's how it goes when there are so many races offered nowadays.
** And Brent, we'd still love to see you guys here on Jul 11/12. If you can squeeze yourself, Doug, and the two Jason's into a van, I will personally see to it that you will have 100% free accommodation for the weekend. And no, I won't send you over to Nick's house...!
Blake
Thanks Blake for your understanding, it's really hard for me and being tugged in two directions trying to please everyone.....it really bugs me to say the least. :( I do hope to see some of our guys down to your Speedweekend Race this Summer.
Brent
Quote from: light on April 07, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
Maybe we should talk about it at our 1st out door race.
Let's just do it here: I'm in for Centra Saanich Days (for obvious reasons).
Phil
Sanich forsure,but now we need to find another road trip race van havin a race this year?
Quote from: BigDawg on April 08, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
Sanich forsure,but now we need to find another road trip race van havin a race this year?
What if we inquired about what Ron Halford has on the go in Parksville and see if we can do a mini trip - or is that too close to home for you, Doug? LOL.
P.
I have been going to the fall race in Kamloops since 1999, and maybe it wasn't always my best racing experience sometimes because of me and sometimes other things but I have only good memories from each of these races. It's too bad I am going miss this year, I really look forward to it. This is another example of why Kamloops, Vancouver, Kelowna and IROCC need put together a racing series and comunicate a little better to make sure we all have good attendance for these big shows.
We have often thought about a winter race but haven't figured out where to fit it in.
Sorry Brent I won't be able to come out this year due to local race commitments but I hope you can make our July Speedweekend. Maybe next year you can change the classic back to the fall, it has always been a great end to my outdoor season.
Craig
i liked the kamloops trips when i did them, the road trip itself is just as fun at the racing...lol
its good to get away and race a few new faces..
id go again, one of these years..
Quote from: serpent on April 08, 2009, 01:44:09 PM
I have been going to the fall race in Kamloops since 1999, and maybe it wasn't always my best racing experience sometimes because of me and sometimes other things but I have only good memories from each of these races. It's too bad I am going miss this year, I really look forward to it. This is another example of why Kamloops, Vancouver, Kelowna and IROCC need put together a racing series and comunicate a little better to make sure we all have good attendance for these big shows.
We have often thought about a winter race but haven't figured out where to fit it in.
Sorry Brent I won't be able to come out this year due to local race commitments but I hope you can make our July Speedweekend. Maybe next year you can change the classic back to the fall, it has always been a great end to my outdoor season.
Craig
Well said, Craig. Me, too. The thing I liked most about the Fall Classic in Sept is the camaraderie, the IROCC meals out, the good atmosphere, late nights at the hotel and so on ... and we're not organizing anything!
Phil
My comments were worded a such because I am extremely disappointed I wont be able to race in Kamloops this year. It is one of my favorite weekends during the entire year. That is why I feel so passionate about the topic. Sucks to miss it. Unfortunately as I pointed out, Victoria makes a serious chunk of the entries for Kamloops outdoor races and I foresee a zero turnout from Victoria this year.
L8R
Wow thats a lot of reading from the start. I have had good times in Kamloops, (as some can attest from an RTR Nitro car win and the late hotel nights...hic..) I also do love the road trip up late in the season for the last kick at the can for on-road. But I too, always drove home and added to the conversation about why do they not, like ever, make a trip down to support our race or races, when we pay the same cost to make their races. We dont even have any relatives in Kamloops that we can stay with either to offset said costs, we help your city's economy by staying in a hotel, that is 6-8 rooms also, I dont think any relative would take 25 rc drivers into their homes . We pass on deals for the ferry cost by lowering our entry fees to make it a bit more affordable, which has been used by others clubs now also, but started by IROCC.
I also agree with Brent we do have other obligations, we do have outside RC lives, but I also agree with Nick our club has grown and is growning, and a blast to be involved with, cause we all pitch in, and help every week after week. I gotta admit I really enjoy seeing the new people at our club when they get a plaque at our big races in the C or the D class, that does wonders for thier self asteem in the club, and keeps them coming back, while unless you are in the A in Kamloops you dont get nuthin....ever....
I am going to miss the Fall road trip to Kamloops but I dont have to think about what I am going to do with OUR race, im attending it. It has rocked every year I have been there, and its been going for a shorter time than the Fall Classic. Some one call the Ranchland Hotel and tell them they are not going to be able to get all the rooms filled this Sept,I am sure they will wonder where we have all gone. Now if Vancouver said they were having a race, I would be there for sure, any weekend, any time. They have done nothing but show up for our races, supported our club, and been great competition. I would travel to their race any time, anywhere. I dont even know if holding a big BC challenge series or such would be worth it, cause it would always be for points between the Vancouver club and Victoria club as we travel the most.
end of rant
QuoteWe pass on deals for the ferry cost by lowering our entry fees to make it a bit more affordable, which has been used by others clubs now also, but started by IROCC.
For the record, I would like to say that the last couple of races that we have held here in Kamloops, have given the Island racers a discount by only charging them a one entry fee price no matter how many classes they ran in.
Quoteour club has grown and is growning, and a blast to be involved with, cause we all pitch in, and help every week after week
There is a difference between having 25+ members in a club and 6 or 8 members in a club. If a few miss a work party, for example, then we are only left with 2 or 3 to carry the load, not 20 or 22.
QuoteI gotta admit I really enjoy seeing the new people at our club when they get a plaque at our big races in the C or the D class, that does wonders for thier self asteem in the club, and keeps them coming back, while unless you are in the A in Kamloops you dont get nuthin....ever....
I can't ever remember going to a race where there are awards in the "D" Mains....if we gave out awards to racers in the "D" main our club would go broke!
QuoteBut I too, always drove home and added to the conversation about why do they not, like ever, make a trip down to support our race or races, when we pay the same cost to make their races.
I can only speak for myself, as I have done in the post above and wish not to repeat myself again. I try to encourage our members to attend your races but I can't hold a gun to their heads? They have work, family and other commitments and it is totally their decision and their's alone.
I do thank those who understand my position but for those few who have decided to critisize....give it a rest....you are beating a dead horse! I did the best I could given the calender restraints.
speed weekend i think everyone that entered a class had recieved a trophy, even the D. The horse just moved so i hit it again... ;D
So thats your answer....hmmm...you know if you came to just ONE of our races you would see that people in lower classes CAN win trophys...EVERYONE in lower classes than the A get a trophy should try it out one time yourself never mind about convincing your other members to do it, we have only been doing this race for about 4-5 years.
You never even got the point about us giving a discount either, we did it to promote racing not get more entries Brent. Also our club is made up of 20- 30 ppl yes that is right, maybe cause of our frendly attitude, who knows, but it is a few core guys that pull off a huge race as speed weekend. I dont think your club would go broke if you had to spend a bit to get trophys or even door prizes for everyone, lets take the $30 - $35 dollars entry and alll the time you spend fundraising it must be in the budget for a set of brushes even huh?
I have not beaten a dead horse you obviously you dont get it do you?, its not about your race versus ours, its trying to bring a bunch of hobbiest together for mutual enjoyment of a common sport. Why do we show up in Chilliwack, why Kamloops, why have a dozen of us made the trip to Edmonton for a rain date race, we love to race, and we just love to race others. Maybe we are really spoiled with our races and the way we run them, and the turn out from Edmonton, and Vancouver, and Calgary racers, but only those that have been to our races can actually comment on them, have you even asked anyone about our races, that is not a member of our club, what did they say about it?
Does anyone know if Kelowna puts on an outdoor race? Lets try some where new.....
Yeesh, guys, let's end it now please. After this "roast", Brent and company will probably be too scared to show up here this summer!
Yes, of course we think we rule, and others drool, but there is something to be said for some humility and class. I know all too well that IROCCers wear their hearts on their sleeves (an admirable trait), but those hearts sure get vocal once in a while!
It'd be totally awesome to see Brent experience Speed Weekend first hand, but if it's not in the cards, then it's not it in the cards.
Blake
PS. Brent, my offer still stands.
Quote from: Blake on April 16, 2009, 01:40:06 AM
Yeesh, guys, let's end it now please. After this "roast", Brent and company will probably be too scared to show up here this summer!
Yes, of course we think we rule, and others drool, but there is something to be said for some humility and class. I know all too well that IROCCers wear their hearts on their sleeves (an admirable trait), but those hearts sure get vocal once in a while!
It'd be totally awesome to see Brent experience Speed Weekend first hand, but if it's not in the cards, then it's not it in the cards.
Blake
PS. Brent, my offer still stands.
blake beat me to it..lol
glen, u havin a bad week??..lol..or just get up on the wrong side of the bed??..jk
since there is no fall classic,or mid summer challenge as they now put it,can we change the format to sanich Days and just have a full on 2 day race? i remember last year a few van guys commented that they didn't even know we were racing for 2 days
Quote from: BigDawg on April 16, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
since there is no fall classic,or mid summer challenge as they now put it,can we change the format to sanich Days and just have a full on 2 day race? i remember last year a few van guys commented that they didn't even know we were racing for 2 days
It's a possibility Doug. The reason for the one-day trophy race format was to keep costs down for the Vancouver guys that were attending both Speed Weekend and CSD. There are also a few IROCCers that work on Saturdays so they would be impacted as well. The best thing to do would be to ask around both locally and in Vancouver to gauge interest.
Speaking of Vancouver, I'm hoping they host a Smackdown (or similar) asphalt race this summer so that we can get our road-trip on.
Blake
Gees Glen, sounds like you and I need to sit down and have a little chat....LOL! FYI, I am the core guy who pulls off the big races here in Kamloops and pretty much "I" alone. It's "I" who writes to 50+ companies for prizes each year and "I" alone. It's "I" who organizes awards and pays upwards of $1500 each time and "I" alone. Shall I go on.....without bragging, many have said that this club would die if I quit.....that is something that moves me and enspires me to go on with what I do.
Also, I lowered the price of entry fees for the Island folks to help with the cost of the ferry which I think is a great reason to do it.
It never ever was about your race versus ours, don't know where that came from....just simply commenting on the false acusations shot at me and trying to defend myself.
I have respect for guys like Blake, Phil and Jody who have the decency to not shoot off their mouth without really knowing the facts. Sorry boys, that is all I have to say on this subject and I will now end it.
Brent
Hey Brent,
Just a FYI that you can take back to the Jason's, Doug, or others:
The trip that Craig, Daryl, Glenn, and Myself did up your way this past February ended up costing each of us about $75 for gas/ferry. I will find you good/free accommodation, and we will give you the usual deal on entry fee ($30 total). If work commitments are an issue, you could even work the day on Friday, get a little sleep, and leave Kamloops at 3AM to make the first boat over on Saturday morning. You will be home late Sunday night.
So anyway, please pass that along, and keep it in mind. It's fairly doable with four in a vehicle.
Blake
PS. I don't envy the one-man-show system you are facing. From what I've seen, Jason Mardon and Rick seem to provide a lot of help, but you definitely need more than that to help balance the load. We are very fortunate to have the group that we do. Everyone here is unbelievably passionate about racing as you can tell!
PPS. Glenn would probably be the first person in the club to offer you a spare bedroom if you come down - no joke.
Your right Blake......
QuoteWith this being said, I am officially announcing the date change of this race to be held on the weekend of September 18th to 20th, 2009. This is only 2 weeks after our CORCS Final but we will all pull together as a club and be ready for this race. I know this will please most racers but I appologize to those who cannot make this date or for any plans that have to be changed due to this rescheduling
it looks like they have changed the date for this race
http://www.rctech.net/forum/6075860-post20.html (http://www.rctech.net/forum/6075860-post20.html)
the full thread is a better read.
http://www.rctech.net/forum/canadian-r-c-scene/311305-kamloops-mid-summer-challenge-road-race-aug-1st-2nd-2.html
I was just wondering if any IROCC'ers were thinking of going up with the new date announcement?
atm, my plan is to roll the vacation time into the Vancouver race at the end of August, so no FTC for me.
Quote from: weekend camper on July 16, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
I was just wondering if any IROCC'ers were thinking of going up with the new date announcement?
atm, my plan is to roll the vacation time into the Vancouver race at the end of August, so no FTC for me.
Brent called me last night for a heart-to-heart. He said he was considering moving the race back to the usual time in Sept. I told him that the Sept date would make it *possible* for us to attend. Obviously, due to recent events, some of us may or may not be up for the trip again.
I will attend. I personally am passed the one-way relationship. I like to race in Kamloops, the road-trip is a ton of fun, and the gas/hotel cost is really very low when you get groups of four guys travelling together. I will have my van available for this race for anyone that wants to come along and I will plan on leaving on the Friday morning as usual.
I will be attending Vancouver's race as well of course - but that one is really easy since it doesn't require any days off work.
Blake