New ROAR Rules

[cyrrus]

Here is how I see this year's outdoor program to deal with the new rules and the future.

Class 1 - Flagship electric touring class -  stock 27T brushed - up to 7.4 V battery (this will be the last year of stock brushed)(and start battery transition to new technology now as well)

Class 2 - 17.5T Brushless Touring - Next year's flagship class- up to 7.4 Volt batteries.

Class 3 - Pro10 Brushed 19T or real/true brushless equivalent, up to 7.4 volt battery. (Yes mix the motor technology in this class).

Class 4 - Nitro

Next year we would be back to 3 classes, 1 electric touring, 1 electric pan car and 1 nitro. A class to suit each person's RC appetite and deals with upcoming technology we can't ignore.

Not to bad of and Idea.  I would rather see a 19t equivilant for class 2.  

I would also like to see bla bla bla bla bla.  heck I'll be there regardless.  
I for brushless as an option.  Lipo Not  yet for me.

[gotnitro]

better get a pan car andrew sounds like 19t touring is out.

[SgRddY]

I'm not sure about a vote, but your point is fairly narrow.

You don't want to go to brushless because you don't want to have to buy a speed controller, but you don't mind going to LiPo since you already have a charger.

What about the people who would need a new charger for the new battery chemistry?

Changing the motor or battery technology to the ones proposed are equally significant.  Both technologies are superior to what we currently use in many ways, and we'll need to change at some point in time.

However, how proven are the lithium chemistry batteries?  I for one have heard many more lithium related horror stories over the years than nickel chemistry horror stories.  Yes, the current crop of lithium batteries are far superior in many ways over the flaming laptop and flaming cellphone era, however so were the NiMH we used just a couple years ago reliability wise.  Once the current R/C trends in battery production shifts into the new chemistry, will we be in the era of flaming carpet knives?

LIPO chargers are cheaper compare to to what you have to spend for ESCs.  You can buy an attachment that attaches to your current charger to make it work.

[gearhead]

I would like to see 1/10 pan car, if we can decide on this so I can go ahead and get either a pan or touring car. BUT, I dont want to go up against brushless in pro10, I think 27t touring would be better for me.
2-300$ for a brushless setup, I dont think so.

[BigDawg]

i think saying its unfair to run a 17.5 with a 27 turn because the 17.5 is better technology and mabye a little faster is like sayin you cant run a tc3 with a t2

[BigDawg]

and i think saying lipo is ok cuz you can convert fairly cheap is like saying its ok as long as ken can afford it,or just like saying my car is too new and better than most in my heat so i cant run it because everyone else can not afford a car as good!

[RC51]

It could be a hectic year! I say:

Stock: 27T + 17.5, NiMh or LiPo
Super Stock: 13.5 (2009 Regs essentially), NiMh or LiPo
Pro10: 10.5 or 13.5 (or completely open it up), NiMh or LiPo
Nitro: Diesel

P.

[SgRddY]

there is a HUGE difference between $50 for lipo conversion and $300 for a brushless setup.  do you really want to deal with the battery problem again this summer?  I DON"T.

if we do both lipo and brushless.... you are just going to lose a lot of racers because it is too expensive to race.  that is the last thing that you would want to do.

[DekelzMan]

In regards to Pan Car, I very much like Jody's spec for it, you're not limited to one or the other technology. Anyone who has driven one outside knows that only under the most optimal of conditions is there going to be an advantage to those running a brushless setup. Most of the time we will not be able to put down the power.

The "Pro" in Pro10 is for "Prototype", not just in body style and chassis but in power technologies as well. Pro10 is going to be a class where we are hoping to do some experimenting with the technologies available and those of us that run it will know that going into this inaugural season.

[Matt S]

you dont have to upgrade your stuff

if you dont want to

what about  

stock-17.5 BL + 27t
19t- 10.5BL + 19t
pan- w/e
nitro - self explanitory

but just have somthing like say more weight to the car for brushless or less weight for brushed or a maximum FDR for brushless

or even say no brushless in 19t and stock and run MOD elec for open motors

IMHO

[BigDawg]

well ken from what i have experienced over the last few years a brushless set up is not all that more expensive , when i first bought my  quantum it was 250 plus and then the motor.  now i can get a brushed or brushless esc for less than the 250. the motor and sensor is not much more than a couple stock motors that go up in smoke instead of just shutting down when too hot! and the cost of chargers or lipo batteries are you kidding when i first started 12 scale 4 years ago a 4 cell 2400 was 55 now we get 4200s for that go to a hobby store and buy batts you aint gettin squat for that!

[SgRddY]

and i think saying lipo is ok cuz you can convert fairly cheap is like saying its ok as long as ken can afford it,or just like saying my car is too new and better than most in my heat so i cant run it because everyone else can not afford a car as good!

for you info bigdawg, i run x-ray '04 and most of my batteries were from last year.  i don't have the latest and greatest.

[BigDawg]

if you think that has anything to do with this topic there isnt anything more i can say!

[SgRddY]

i thing is that everyone already has brushed ESC on their cars and to upgrade to brushless ESCs is expensive.  if one is just starting out then yes, why not buy one with brushless.

what is the cheapest way to do this and not giving us any headache?

no lipo is cheap but don't forget about the problems from last summer
brushless is great but too expensive
brushed is not as great but cheap (no upgrade needed)


if brushed and brushless/NiMH and LIPO were running in different classes then i wouldn't careless what we run.

[Gorden]

My Vote

Open the stock class to use NiMH and LIPO  battery's

Start a Pro Stock stock Class -17.5 BL + 27t + NiMH and LIPO battery's (but must have 5 car to runs the class)

Change 19t to open mod brushed motors (but must have 5 car to runs the class)

Pan Car you guys decide (but must have 5 car to runs the class)

Nirto (but must have 5 car to runs the class)