Pan Car Weight

[Blake]

From a non horsepower/weight standpoint, this is what I've found so far:

The Pro10 class is competitive.  Very competitive!  With 16-22 racers in this class each week, we're seeing A-Mains where at least half the cars are finishing on the same lap.  It's totally awesome!  I'm so impressed that everyone has been able to get their cars working so well on the asphalt!

The tightness of the racing has definitely brought out some of our darker sides though.  Each position can make a big difference so you see racers rubbing a little more than usual.  I am one of the biggest culprits of this as I have "ended" the leader's race a couple of times so far this season.  Throughout the field though you can hear the bumping and grinding quite a bit more than in 12th Scale or in Touring Car.


From a horsepower standpoint, I too have struggled with my 19T.  I keep burning them up, so I will be gearing down a little this weekend!  From what I can tell, with a fresh 19T I don't think I'm giving up anything to anyone from a power perspective.  My car weighs 1250g.


Blake

[gotnitro]

Blake i have a brand new armature in a dc can.3800 batterys from indoors and weight was about 1309 after the a main

[Blake]

Thanks Gerry - I'll update my summary above.  Any idea what Shane and Glenn are running for batteries?

Blake

[gotnitro]

i think the same

[DekelzMan]

I would assume at best they are running 4200 NiMh as they are both running 10Ls right? As far as I know no one has the mythical LiPo saddle packs as of yet.

Mick

[gotnitro]

oops right you are mick i meant 4200 blake .corally for me glen 10L and shane i dont know

[RC51]

Hi, Guys.

I just picked up the saddle pack shipment!!!!!

We knew that people would take time to figure things out and from my perspective we're far from it yet. Guys are over gearing to go faster but haven't settled on a final ratio yet that protects motors and batts that also performs highly. Personally I knew this would happen from the get-go. What we didn't really discuss is that the 19T guys would follow suit. So, I suspect both class of motors are over gearing by 5-10%. 19T guys also should consider running some of the more heat tolerant brushes which would help out both with performace and budget over the course of the season.

P.

[BigDaddyT]

Hey Guys,

Just caught up on this thread - interesting to see the table of the winning power combo's and drivers up there. Doesn't look like anyone has it completely nailed yet, which is actually cool (aside from burned brushes) because it means there's learning and experiments going on.

For the brushed guys - I would highly recommend backing off a tooth or two from where you are absolutely scorching your brushes over the course of a run. It might seem like gearing to keep up is the only course of action, but you will probably end up faster if you don't overheat and end up running on melted brushes for the last minute or two of your run.

Also - regardless of your chosen brush, try venting it out by putting a hole or slot in the face of the brush (ask Phil to show you a T-brush if you haven't seen it). On 4499's in TC this was the difference between having a one-run, melt-the-serrations-off brush versus a 3 run still-looks-ok brush in my cars.

I'll definitely stay tuned to this one.... it will be interesting to see if the saddle packs affect the balance of power.

[WhoDoYouThink]

Actually Trent, the last set of brushes I turned purple/golden were a set of your T brush with the hole in the middle of the brush face, venting out the  holes in the side.

Gearing down dramatically seems like the only course of action. No 50+ roll-outs here like I heard the brushless guys were running! I cooked at a 44 and still again at a 41ish!

[DekelzMan]

Nick!

You were trying to rollout like a Brushless? I'm rolling out my Komodo around 38!

Mick

[WhoDoYouThink]

No, not trying to roll out like a brushless, just stating what those guys were saying they were rolling out at.

I've been as low as a 36.07 with new tires on.

[RC51]

Go lower than that, Nick, if you are using a Hemi K. It likes 34-ish and should come off the track less than 170 degrees. The Hemi-C or C-2 based motors are fine in and around 35-37 but they get quite hot as well. 50+ roll-out is definately brushless territory and you will 100% fry your brushes if not an arm in a brushed motor.  Doug, Glenn and I are all rolling out aroun 50-53 and we're overheating 10.5 BL motors around the 53 mark - somewhere around 170-210 degrees between the three of us.

P.

[gotnitro]

i was running in the 35  roll out area with the t-bang brushes and i used them all day.the serrations are gone but there is no dicoloration, was going to try one more heat with them.

[Gorden]

May 4th
1. Bell, Blake: Lipo/19T
2. Younger, Tom: NiMH/19T
3. Szirmay, Mick: Lipo/19T

May 11th
1. Roberts, Craig: Lipo/19T
2. Archer, Shane: Batt?/19T
3. Bell, Blake: Lipo/19T

May 18th
1. Bernard, Gerry: NiMH/19T
2. Armstrong, Glenn: Batt?/10.5
3. Bell, Blake: Lipo/19T

May 25th
1. Ashmore, Brian: Lipo/19T
2. Younger, Tom: NiMH/19T
3. Bell, Blake: Lipo/19T

I am pretty sure this information is correct.  Maybe someone can help me fill in the blanks for Shane, Gerry, and Glenn's batteries - not sure what they were running.


Blake

Shane, Gerry both are using NiMH I'm sure of it  

But looking at the results Blake has posted. I think the 10.5 should be here to stay.


-=light=-

[Blake]

I've been as low as a 36.07 with new tires on.

I tried 37mm but it did not take long to fry the brushes.  I had better luck with 35mm last weekend.  I may even try a tooth lower this weekend.

Blake