IMPORTANT CLUB VOTE - 12th Scale Motors

[Blake]

Hi all,

The IROCC Executive has met and come to some decisions about this coming 12th Scale season.  Most of the decisions were straight-forward, and there are no ground breaking rule changes to mention.  However, there is one tough decision to make: 12th Scale motor options.

After much discussion on the topic, the Executive has decided to hold a general club opinion pole on the topic to make sure we make the best decision for the club.  We hope that everyone planning to run this winter will take the time to think about these three options and vote for the best one.


Here are the three options:

A. Handout Club Motor
In this scenario, IROCC will bulk-buy a lot of motors, and sell them to the club members.  These motors will be the only motors allowed for the 2008/2009 indoor season.  All club members will be expected to buy these motors, as you will not be allowed to use any other motor.  If you already own an existing motor that is the same brand/type as the selected club motor, it will not be allowed for use.  All the 2008/2009 club motors will be marked and those will be the only motors allowed on the track.  Because the motors will be purchased in bulk, the possibility of a price-break exists.  We anticipate that the motors will be sold for a price between $35 and $45.  The spirit behind club motors is to encourage the closest possible racing as, technically, everyone will have the same horsepower.

B. Any ROAR Legal 27T Motor
This is the scenario we used last year.  In this scenario, racers can use any ROAR legal 27T motor they like.  IROCC will not carry motors, and so the racers will be responsible for finding their own motors through the various retail channels available to them.  In this scenario, brushless motors are not allowed.

C. Any ROAR Legal 27T Motor OR any ROAR Legal 17.5 Brushless Motor
This scenario is like scenario B, but with the addition of ROAR legal brushless 17.5 motors.  That is, a racer may use any ROAR legal 27T motor, or any ROAR legal 17.5 brushless motor.  This means that there could be a mix of 27T and 17.5BL on the track at the same time - much the same as the Pro10 class this summer.


Each IROCCer that will race during the winter season may submit one vote.  You may submit your vote to Craig Roberts or me (Blake Bell).  Craig can be reached at home (478-5628) or via his cell (896-5630).  Of course you may submit your vote to him in person as well.  You may submit your vote to me in person, or via a Private Message on this website (my username here is "blake").  This is NOT a secret ballot vote.  The list of voters/votes will be published publicly so that everyone can see their vote.  This is the only way to take votes accurately and fairly without having to get everyone together in one place.  It will also eliminate any cheating as the votes will be made public.

The deadline for votes will be the end of the raceday this coming Sunday, August 24th, at the Queen Alexandra race.

I expect there to be some questions surrounding the options and the process as a whole.  Feel free to ask away here, and we'll do our best to make it clear to everyone.


Blake

[Shawn68z]

I am just wondering.   Was the racing closer last year compared to the year before? Or was the racing closer with the club stock motors?



As for brushless, its a pretty big can of worms to open. If members spend good money on a brushless system for 1/12, you know they will want to use it for next years touring stock.

Shawn.

[Arch]

I seem to remember that racing was closer the year(s) before last with hand out motors (there was a time we had hand out batteries) ,Plus ,if someone IS faster than you ,when you all have the same motor,you take the "better"motor factor out of the equation as to why that guy is faster.

[Gorden]

This is good.......(Each IROCCer that will race during the winter season may submit one vote.)


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[Shawn68z]

I seem to remember that racing was closer the year(s) before last with hand out motors (there was a time we had hand out batteries) ,Plus ,if someone IS faster than you ,when you all have the same motor,you take the "better"motor factor out of the equation as to why that guy is faster.

I just want to keep the racing upto the driver as much as possible, and keep the costs under control.

Club motors can also help beat cheating too. If you suspect someone has tampered with the motor, its easy enough to swap with someone elses.  In some full scale racing, they run claimer motors. Pretty much the idea is anyone in the top 10 can claim your motor, and you have no choice but to pull it. (or lose your winnings, points, and be banned from the track. ) Helps prevent cheating, and keeps motor costs under control.

Shawn.

[gotnitro]

as long as the club can get a decent motor. im in for any 27t and i want to be up front in the A. 12 scale is the year of cheap parts and good times. It takes very little to be a contender in 12scale as long as you can make it around the track in 1 peice. I would hope the club could maybe talk to trent about club motors, i have been very satisfied with t-bangs motors. what do you think phil could trent do that?

[RC51]

Generally speaking, motors are not the issue. It's a red herring but agreeably a spec that needs to be determined. My motor at Saanich, for example, was a Type X from 2 years ago. My fastest run, though, was a sport type E - our overall lowest powered motor, the same variety that won the South Australian TC champs this year. For the most part it's considered the lowest powered current motor out there, yet, it finished at the top with spec batteries in S. AU champs driven by James Ainslie.

17.5 has not been proven to have a consistent advantage over 27T brushed in 1/12 on the track or the dyno.

Variance in an batch of brushed tear-downs leads us to throw a fair number of motors into the parts bin. Rather than ending up in a sport line or the parts bin, these may be in your car. Roughly a one in eight or nine chance. Variance on the brushless motors has been approx 1%.

I vote for option C.

Phil

[RC51]

as long as the club can get a decent motor. im in for any 27t and i want to be up front in the A. 12 scale is the year of cheap parts and good times. It takes very little to be a contender in 12scale as long as you can make it around the track in 1 peice. I would hope the club could maybe talk to trent about club motors, i have been very satisfied with t-bangs motors. what do you think phil could trent do that?

Hey, Gerry.

Absolutely. T-Bang has done this for the club in the past as well. It's a whack of time in the shop for BigDaddyT (45 minutes or so per motor) so the lead time is important. Seems many parts of the industry are backed up at present and allowing enough time is critical to getting them in time for October. Bodies are en route to us at present and we'll be offering a 4-cell club rate again this year, too. But this is for another thread ...

P.

[Matt S]

i vote for option C

[BigDawg]

any 27 turn motor is good -no brushless,with any 27 turn motor anyone has the chance to run in the A as it would be with a club motor, anyone that says only a club motor can keep things even is delusional as you could buy as many of either as you want, its luck of the draw

[Blake]

any 27 turn motor is good -no brushless,with any 27 turn motor anyone has the chance to run in the A as it would be with a club motor, anyone that says only a club motor can keep things even is delusional as you could buy as many of either as you want, its luck of the draw

Is that an official vote for option B then Doug?

Blake

[haddow]

We have to go brushless at some point

"C"

Jody

[BigDawg]

sorry! yes blake any 27 turn no brusless(its official)i dont want to wreck any of my expensive brushless equipment when i start throwin my car across MY pit area

[gotnitro]

haha lol  hows anger manegment coming dog, they give you a chew toy to help

[Gorden]

We have to go brushless at some point

"C"

Jody

I Agree and would also Vote for C