The Great Pro10/World GT Debate!

[BCbud]

Hmmmm...I don't like the road this is going down suddenly....

I don't want to see WorldGT turning into the entry level class. I think slowing the cars down to make things a little more even makes sense but dumbing this down to 1 cell, 17.5 no boost will make this a yawn-fest. I'd make touring STOCK the no-boost class and make WorldGT the higher performance of the two....

That would make more sence. I would not like to see the pro-10/ WGT be too slow. Sorry for the short responce befor, I got called away with customers.

[BCbud]

Niel

the bmi can take both single cell and double cells packs.  and yes that is for both the reg bmi and the new copper head. 

Andrew

Thanks for correcting me on that!

[Big_gord24]

Hmmmm...I don't like the road this is going down suddenly....

I don't want to see WorldGT turning into the entry level class. I think slowing the cars down to make things a little more even makes sense but dumbing this down to 1 cell, 17.5 no boost will make this a yawn-fest. I'd make touring STOCK the no-boost class and make WorldGT the higher performance of the two....

It looks like that is whats hapening over here. The 17.5 Touring class will be zero timing after the Big Chill. I've seen the pan cars with no boost and you feel like kicking them down the straight they are so slow. The WGT will be 13.5 here... mainly because there is no longer a 13.5 touring and there is an abundance of 13.5 motors. But for outdoor 10.5 would be the motor i'd want to run, they are still quick with the 1 cell and boost.

[Gorden]

I say if it's not broke don't try to fix it.
We've been having a lot of fun with the way it is and I see no need to change it

My 2 Cents

[BCbud]

I say if it's not broke don't try to fix it.
We've been having a lot of fun with the way it is and I see no need to change it

My 2 Cents

I for one would not race in the pro ten if it stays the same as it is no fun spending most of the race trying to keep out of the way of the better/faster drivers. As it was said early in this thread, if we have more drivers like touring stock then this would not be as mutch of a problem but I don't see that hapening.

[Gorden]

I for one would not race in the pro ten if it stays the same as it is no fun spending most of the race trying to keep out of the way of the better/faster drivers. As it was said early in this thread, if we have more drivers like touring stock then this would not be as mutch of a problem but I don't see that hapening.

I run into the same problem with Nitro... but I'll will still get out and race.
and it's like you say if we had more drivers we would not have this problem
of the fast and slower drivers

[weekend camper]

I think the question of how to get more than 12 guys to show up before track set up on a perfectly good Sunday is a more worthy debate.

[Shawn68z]

I think the question of how to get more than 12 guys to show up before track set up on a perfectly good Sunday is a more worthy debate.

I was just wondering what type of turn out the other clubs in vancouver are getting for WGT (Outdoor) and for WGT Indoor?   

I know some of the members want to be inline with the rest of the world, but why? If our club can field a successfull class then who cares what they are running somewhere else!  I dont want to see the same number of cars on the track, just driving slower.

If IROCC fields WGT (Say a 10.5, 1 Cell, with boost) will their be more cars at our club races on a weekly basis? Or only on the odd occasion when the club runs Speedweekend and Saanich?
And  on the odd occasions that our club (or as individuals) goto Vancouver to run WGT, most of the cars our can be easily converted to WGT for that weekend. Maybe add a "lunch time" race for the people converting their cars acouple of weeks before.

Shawn.

[WhoDoYouThink]

Oooooh, stir the pot Bruce, stir the pot! 

[BCbud]

Good day!

Too staet out, I had a lot of fun in several races in pro-10 this summer but I would question that it is a successful class. Look at the A main results for the Q&A race. It is like we raced 2 classes at once and there is a 6 lap differance from first to last. That is what got this hole discussion got started.

Pan Car A Main                                                Round# 3, Race# 6

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____RaceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
                                                Szirmay, Mick    #2      23     5:03.574     12.237           
                                                  Jones, Daryl    #1      23     5:06.643     12.408      3.069
                                                Younger, Tom    #3      23     5:10.805     12.365      7.231
                                               Newroth, Nick    #6      22     5:12.119     12.640           
                                                     Cady, Phil    #4      22     5:12.216     12.538      0.097
                                                Johnson, Neil    #8      19     5:13.092     14.223           
                                             Galbraith, John    #9      18     5:04.757     14.194           
                                                Palmer, Vince    #5      18     5:10.056     14.689      5.299
                                                    Myatt, Don    #7      17     5:01.058     14.696           

[roofrider]

With the winter season upon us, I think that we should have a meeting at the pizza place one or two nights before (long before) the next summer season sneaks up on us and we still don't know what to do. This should be done with ample advertising so everyone has the opportunity to be there.
We can all sit in our ivory towers and continue the debate, but if we sit down and make an informed decision that makes the most sense as far as the club is concerned we have a better chance of making the most racers happy. Just a thought

[gotnitro]

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____RaceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
                  Jones, Daryl    #6      27     6:08.715     12.830           
                 Sladich, Matt    #5      27     6:09.110     12.703      0.395
                 Fantetti, Rob    #4      26     6:03.043     13.161           
                  Bowker, John    #7      26     6:10.738     13.621      7.695
                 Lester, Danny    #8      25     6:01.550     13.331           
                 White, Warren    #9      24     6:04.411     14.155           
                 Newroth, Nick    #2       7     2:10.646     13.645         
touring stock A main isn't that much different accept the extra 2 guys in pan car

[gotnitro]

Pan Car A Main                                                Round# 4, Race# 4

________________________Driver___Car#____Laps____RaceTime____Fast Lap___Behind_
                 Johnson, Neil    #4      23     5:13.091     12.365           
                 Palmer, Vince    #1      21     5:08.374     12.867           
                 Fantetti, Joe    #6      16     5:18.609     10.655           
                 Newroth, Nick    #3       0        0.000                     
              Blondeau, Andrew    #2       0        0.000                 0.000
                 Fantetti, Rob    #5       0        0.000                 0.000

Look at these stats. 7 guys start 3 finish its no different then nitro. If everyone shows up to race then everyone has someone to race with at their level. Lets face it we all have lives and cant always race or race a second car. Slowing things down is only going to make a snorfest.... Ok Time for RCSHADOW AND ARCHER TO CHIME IN....LOL

[WhoDoYouThink]

Nice Gerry, pick the one race I didn't even start in Pan Car and one of my worst finishes in Touring Car! LOL

I probably don't have to point this out, but I will anyway...
I ran a 19 turn in my Pan Car and was usually within half a second of the "fast boyz" with their fancy 10.5 brushless set ups and wiz bang " turbo boostable" speed controls!
So that begs the question, why weren't they blowing my doors off in Pan Car!

I know I won both the 2010 Pan Car and Touring Car season because I showed up consistently to set up and to race, but that's another thread all by itself! ;-)

[jarrodH]

has anybody thaught that maybe its not the class that has to change? not tryin to insult or call anyone out, but i think it has to be said..

look whos out front on a weekly bassis.. mick, daryl,  blake.. etc.. the guys who have been doin this longer than ive been alive..  maybe its the drivin that makes the differance in the big race split?  i always hear people, me included sometimes, that think its the motor/electronics or watever is the reason their slower. but if you think about it, how many times did you hit the wall? doesnt matter if you have blakes car if you hit the wall twice, youve now lost the advantage of havin the faster car..

the class shouldnt change to fit the drivers, the drivers should change to fit the class..

like or hate it.. its my 2 cents..