ESC & 17.5

Shawn68z · April 15, 2014, 01:30:46 PM

I know we should all support our local hobby shops.. But... Good speedo, with a good motor, and Fan for $75... Hard to beat..

http://www.rcmart.com/quicrun-brushless-sensored-system-175t-2210kv-motor-ya0180-p-38925.html?cPath=1100_1252

valk · April 15, 2014, 04:06:42 PM

Nice to see another option but tge speed passion setup is $63 and roar approved.
Though I'd like to see a hobbywing competitor for sure.

Shawn68z · April 15, 2014, 04:41:15 PM

Quote from: valk on April 15, 2014, 04:06:42 PM
Nice to see another option but tge speed passion setup is $63 and roar approved.
Though I'd like to see a hobbywing competitor for sure.

Hobbywing will be roar shortly. Its already been submitted.

Besides speed passion motors are not good for blinky. To have a fast enough motor for blinky you need the 30_40deg timing ring for another $30.

valk · April 15, 2014, 06:06:20 PM

Ill just have to buy back the motor I sold mick then and we shall see

I've only been running 30degrees all winter. Think I had my speed passion down at 3.6 with the 10 degrees it limits you to, of course nothing to stop you modifying the endbell to turn it more

Would be curious to see how this hobbywing works for sure.

MickSz · April 15, 2014, 06:19:45 PM

Happy to sell it back

I have 2 Speedzone motors all ready to go....

Blake · April 15, 2014, 10:17:39 PM

That's a nice thing about the Orca motors: You can turn the endbell around and around in circles.... I turned it so far that my motor wouldn't even start unless I push started it. It got HOT!

I found in 12th Scale, trying to keep up with Craig and Jamie, that cranking the timing is not guaranteed to be faster. You have to find the happy medium of torque, rpm, and heat. For me, that seemed to be something like 4mm around the can, beyond the "zero" mark.

PS. Anyone use the HobbyWing Justock ESC? I asked Matt for a price quote as I am thinking about putting it into the IROCC rental/loaner car. Do you need a programmer for anything on that ESC if you just want to run blinky 17.5 TC?

Blake

valk · April 15, 2014, 10:24:14 PM

Hobbywing Justock is designed for stock zero timing racing so you dont need anything to use it. just plug it in and go. if you want to add more punch or brake though you would need the lcd programmer. no need to buy one though blake as I have the newest one and so does daryl i think. mine is running the latest software for sure, for my 3.1 1s.

Shawn68z · April 16, 2014, 12:25:50 PM

Quote from: Blake on April 15, 2014, 10:17:39 PM
PS. Anyone use the HobbyWing Justock ESC? I asked Matt for a price quote as I am thinking about putting it into the IROCC rental/loaner car. Do you need a programmer for anything on that ESC if you just want to run blinky 17.5 TC?

Yes Blake, I have been running acouple of them. I use one in my F1 Car, WGT, and Camerons 1/12 scale car. They work well, but I would recommend the XtremeStock, as you can load the Boost/Turbo software into if you ever wanted too, and it can handle a hotter turn motor.

The JuSTock doesnt require a programmer, but it makes it alot easier to use. Both Daryl and I do have the programmer if required.

http://www.falconsekido.com/products/xtreme-stock-esc-for-1-10

Shawn.

MickSz · April 16, 2014, 01:35:39 PM

I thought this was interesting: http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2014/04/15/what-happened-to-stock-racing/

rcshadow · April 16, 2014, 03:36:26 PM

Good Read Mick,... but I dont mean that in the sense that I may use it as an excuse to not show up

. Even when you read the comments sounds like its tough everywhere for stock..

Shawn68z · April 16, 2014, 03:59:27 PM

Quote from: MickSz on April 16, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
I thought this was interesting: http://www.rccaraction.com/blog/2014/04/15/what-happened-to-stock-racing/

After reading that article, I keep thinking its been written acouple of years ago when the Boost/Turbo technology war was going on. The article just doesnt ring true anymore, with the new ROAR ESC & Motors that only cost around $75 for a combo.

The cars are faster today, but I think Blinky is bringing the class back on track. The next move might be a locked end bell.

Shawn.

Tom · April 18, 2014, 02:31:56 AM

The date says it was posted on Tuesday.

I agree with much of it, and have been saying so for a while.

Shawn68z · April 18, 2014, 05:37:39 PM

Quote from: Tom on April 18, 2014, 02:31:56 AM
The date says it was posted on Tuesday.

I agree with much of it, and have been saying so for a while.

I know its a new article Tom. The point I was making is the article isn't accurate for todays racing (2013/2014). It would have been more accurate if it was written a couple of years ago when the Turbo/Boost war's were going on.

The problem with the article is his foggy memory of brushed racing "The Good Old Days". We have a saying in the navy "The Navy has never been, or will be, as good as it was." . His quotes for brushed motors are all on the low side ($40), replacing the springs and brushes every 6-10 runs ($4). He then compare that to a $140 Brushless motor with a $60 optional rotor, which is the extreme high side of brushless motors.

I had to check to see if Michael Moore was the author.

In his conclusion he wants all current ESC banned, so the Manufacture's can make cheaper ESC's without all the features? Umm.. $50 for a Blinky mode ESC is the norm these days. Cant make it any cheaper, as all those features he wants removed from the ESC are in the software, so the cost wont change by removing them. Blinky ESC's have already simplified the ESC to the point of the GTX ESC. Some people might debate the GTX was the end of Stock brushed racing with the customizeable drive frequencies. $30-40 for a ROAR Brushless Motor (Speedpassion and Trackstar), and if you take care of it can last you YEARS, without replacing any of the parts. That's the same price, or cheaper then a brushed motor, which is guarantied to wear out no matter how well you take care of it.

The only thing that he posted, that actually makes sense is the "Stock" Motor should have had a locked end timing. ROAR should have had the manufactures make a "Stock" motor, with a given amount of timing, a specific physical dimensions, and electrical specs. But, I think ROAR didn't expect the technology to take off, and the Turbo/Boost software really took everyone by surprise.

Shawn.

MickSz · April 18, 2014, 06:09:47 PM

So I'm still a LOT grey in the areas of whats the situation for this summer. So you need the speedo in blinky mode but whats the deal with the motors? Are people allowed to change the timing via end bell? Is that all there is to the rules/specs?

Shawn68z · April 18, 2014, 06:25:23 PM

Quote from: MickSz on April 18, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
So I'm still a LOT grey in the areas of whats the situation for this summer. So you need the speedo in blinky mode but whats the deal with the motors? Are people allowed to change the timing via end bell? Is that all there is to the rules/specs?

Yep.. Blinky ESC, and 17.5 Motor. Your allowed to change the rotor if you want (most guys I don't bother), and you can change the end bell timing. That's all there is to it.

Which ESC you going to be running Mick?

Shawn'