IMPORTANT CLUB VOTE - 12th Scale Motors

[Shawn68z]

Cost? My esc, motor and Lipo cost less than I spent on batteries alone last year. Investing in brushless, a brushed/brushless esc, and LiPo is a solid investment in both the near and longer term. It was paid for by selling the old stuff. It can be done and it can save you money in one single season.

The real worry sounds like the potential for performance advantage through LiPo and brushless which hasn't borne out on the track this year, has it? If it's not "fear-of-being rendered-slower-than-the-guys-I-used-to-beat" based, then what is the worry? Cost? BTW, at the ROAR indoor champs this last season, a brushed motor won the stock rubber class in a field of brushless motors. Using LiPo clearly saves money, too, so what is all the worry about?

For motors:

A=most expensive
B=less expensive
C=less expensive and gives people the opportunity to try something new IF they feel like it, even though there is no performance advantage.

No threat, no sweat.
P.

Please do not bring the cost savings of LiPo into the argument unless we are going to run Lipo  for 1/12th. I think everyone in the club will agree Lipo has been fabulous this year.

A brushless system (ESC, and Motor) costs $250'ish.  The only time a brushless system is going to save money is if you dont have a good brushed ESC.  Otherwise, if you have a good brushed ESC, then you can buy a sport motor from you on sale for $20.    Since the 4cell is not hard on the motors you should not have to change the brushes all the time.

Shawn.

[BigDawg]

how many times did you make the A? and still you spent more on brushes than i did this summer and how much did that comm  lathe cost? at least as much as my motor hell my last lathe bit cost more than my brushless motor!

[Arch]

  What ever .As for Phil your a distributer,Id be trying to open it up also.As for Dud ,isnt playing devils advocate getting a little stale?

[Shawn68z]

how many times did you make the A? and still you spent more on brushes than i did this summer and how much did that comm  lathe cost? at least as much as my motor hell my last lathe bit cost more than my brushless motor!

I made it to the 'A' 10 times out of the 13 races that I ran during the summer.   I paid $25 for the lathe, and a new bit is $8.00 at House of Tools.    So, how much did you pay for the brushless? I bet it was more then $40.   Oh, and a set of F brushes is only .99 at most online hobby shops.



Shawn.

[Tom]

Perhaps Thomas, IROCC's acting Secretary,  can refresh my memory of what the Executive decided that night at Boston Pizza.

That'll have to wait 'till Tuesday -- the results are there.

I too can't recall for sure, but I think it was A.

We decided though since it was so contentious, and since we were still so divided, we'd give people what they keep on asking for -- more of a voice in the decisions.

[RC51]

  What ever .As for Phil your a distributer,Id be trying to open it up also.

No offense, but think about it, Shane. Our interest as a retailer would be for option A - bid on 50 or so tuned motors - as opposed to a handful (literally) of 17.5. Clearly, C is my personal choice since I like options in all aspects of life, of which RC is one.  Besides which, T-bang gave all cash accrued vis a vis IROCC bulk purchases back to the club at Speed Weekend. There were so many things to give away that they were/are carried forward to next year. So, even hypothetically, if it was in T-Bang interest to open it up, it would also be in the club's interest since it all came back in spades.

So, in all seriousness, what are your thoughts about the logic of my previous post? I may well be missing some piece of the puzzle but I can't see it. It's all rhetoric, really, since the club will do what the club will do and we'll all get out there and hit the carpet. This was the opportunity to have a voice as the membership had always wanted. Even if it is to return to the Exec decision, at least it's all out there rather than speculation about who wants what and why. Even if I had wanted A and the bulk was turning to C, your comment would still apply so it's a catch 22 for me to even vote.

Phil

[BigDawg]

  As for Dud ,isnt playing devils advocate getting a little stale?

thats funny i was gonna ask you the same about complaining every time the club doesnt do what you want!in case you didnt see i voted B as i have 15 stock motors already and dont want to get sucked into buyin another

[BigDawg]

I made it to the 'A' 10 times out of the 13 races that I ran during the summer. 

well i guess that is quit an accomplishment when there is only 2 heats how about last winter? you can do as little work to your car as you want!when your winning the A ill start taking your advice until then ill just do the math! A cost me the most to race b nothing a c the same as A or less and and I'm not buying something i have 15 duplicates of already!as i didnt really think its all that cool to look at a box full of motors that are useless to me

Shawn.

[BigDawg]

ooops that quote didnt work! or did it

[Tom]

how many times did you make the A? and still you spent more on brushes than i did this summer and how much did that comm  lathe cost? at least as much as my motor hell my last lathe bit cost more than my brushless motor!

I think I make the A more than you do, and I don't change brushes as often as you do either.

Anyone can choose to spend wads of cash on racing, and some racers learn that some things are just a waste of money.

In my opinion (and I'm not alone in this), Option A tends to result in less money being spent on racing in general than the other options.  This is because when everyone has the same equipment, the temptation to waste money is less than when more options are available to the racer.

Of course there are some racers who don't care about their racing budget, and there are others that would rather run what's in their box than run the same motor as everyone else -- you're never going to make everyone happy.  But, Option A eliminates the temptation to buy a different motor because you're not sure if the type you have sucks or not.

This discussion can continue in circles for a long time.

[BigDawg]

i dont even remember seeing you at racing!but whatever stock is stock weather i use one i got or buy another!

[BigDawg]

when will the final decision be made???

[Gorden]

I though it was made already with the C Option

[BigDawg]

just wanted to make sure!

[Gorden]

just wanted to make sure!

One of the Executives should post to make it final

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