Heat Setup

[haddow]

And Haddow, if I hadn't of broken, you were going down hard! You know it and I know it!

I know buddy you are fast except when you have to use broken rear pod plates..hmm maybe I shouldnt bring any back from NY...hehe.

Just using your misfortune as an example.

[kukkiyukkuk]

But u also have 2 other qulaifiers to make up for a missed one, say for instance if liek craig blake or tom or shane or anyon in A mains that are seperated so extremely closely through points. Maybe someone gets the littlest bit to close in last qualifier and breaks the car and either unable to fix in the amount of time or dont have the part if the get points for last of the 30 or so ppl they are pretty much drop out of the race entirely for points till the throwaways are calculated if we even have throwaways this year cause there another forum bout if throwaways shoudl be allowed..

[haddow]

BTW this is awesome we havnt had a thread like this in awhile, it reminds me I am alive, guess i wont have to cut myself tonight like I usually do, I can just read this thread. (i have issues dont i)

[Tom]

I think I'll interject here, although it is probably not necessary.  This looks like a nice healthy debate where all sides that I can see are being represented.

Firstly, Nick, I was just using you as an example to represent the general case; we need a policy to cover your situation.  It seems as though the best options are:

1)  No points if you don't start the main or
2)  Points for last place in the main you qualified for.

I have always felt that, if you've paid your money, you deserve to get more than 0 points.  However, this is just my personal opinion, and there are valid arguments against my opinion, which is the whole intent of this thread.

Secondly, it can be very difficult to determine if someone started the main or not.  Sometimes, people (like Nick and Limey this past week) let us know that they're not going to start the main.  This gives us the option to either list them in the heats, or drop them out entirely.  Other times, people take off without letting us know.  And, other times, people are scrambling in the pits, trying to fix their car, but are unable to make the start of the race, and other times, people start the race, but crash and break their car before they complete one lap.

These are all possible scenarios about how someone doesn't start a main.  We need to either draw an arbitrary line somewhere to say you either started the main or didn't start the main, and keep track of that at the end of the night so points can be assigned properly, or keep up with the current scenario.  Previously, we were very inconsistent, since we used to elimniate people if they told us they weren't going to run, otherwise they got points for the main.

And, some people may be new to racing and might not understand this last point completely; I'm sorry that I assumed everyone knew what went on.

Every racer will typically run in 4 races during the night.  The first 3 are called heats, and the last one is called the main, even though race announcers often confuse the terms.  The first 3 races of the night are all just qualifying races, and your best result of the 3 is used only to determine where you will start in the last race, the main.  Once the mains are run, your final position in the main, and only that final position in the main (with the exception of the TQ racer) is used to dtermine the points you get for that night.  The TQ driver gets one bonus point.  It is this result that we use to determine which qualifier you run in the next week.  This is unlikely to change, even though there are some problems with this approach.  What we're discussing is what we do with the results of this approach.

And no Jody, as was said by others, if you don't run your main, you finish last in it, and currently that's how your points are assigned.  If more than one racer doesn't start their main, the finishing order of those racers is ordered behind all finishers in their qualifying order.

There are many other great points being raised in this thread; keep it going, and try to consider the problems that I've raised.

well there is throwaways and there are in effect now  by looking at the point list so it wouldnt matter,and doesnt mattersame goes for getting points when your not racing in the main ...........it really doesnt matter because of the trowaways(unless you did it to many times)and who really cares im only keeping track of points so i can rub it in gerry and glens  face at the end of the year so i can rattle them for summer so when the only racing that matters is here(nitro)

[kukkiyukkuk]

Aswell as me i am looking at points to try and stay ahead of my uncle and after me missing a main but remained and marshalled.  From getting the points from last in the main i qualified for it keeps in the temporary run for points (before throwaways) All in All i dont see why it would be so bad to give ppl last place in the main they qualified for if they dont start because everyone in teh heat will get more points than u including the bump-up and so the vast majority of ppl only get a difference between like 1-7 points different as if they ran the main therefore keeping tehir average at what the driver still consistantly remains.

[haddow]

you don't run your main, you finish last in it, and currently that's how your points are assigned. If more than one racer doesn't start their main, the finishing order of those racers is ordered behind all finishers in their qualifying order.

sounds OK to me, although being the main race I still think if a guy in the B didnt even start (ie cross the start finish line once), and he is awarded more points than I did finishing in the middle of the C I would have bit of an issue with that.

Although I guess you could argue that your qualifiers have more or less already determined your maximum points for the night (bump-ups aside as only one spot can bump).

ok just for you then i will go along with giving points to people who didnt even reallly earn them !but only for you..............lol like i said it really doesnt matter to me as my points race is only between a few people

[haddow]

..............lol like i said it really doesnt matter to me as my points race is only between a few people

I hope you are not including me in this group, cuz, like, I am way ahead of you. LOL

[kukkiyukkuk]

OUCH!! Haddow with the burn lol anyways cudos on the thread Tom cleared up alot of questions and brought som pizaz to the forum lol.....Some very long needed pizaz

[kukkiyukkuk]

And thank you doug for the extensive debate

o...........you on the list im already done with glen.................next is gerry then im commin for you.................it will be a preveiw of the summer to follow

[Tom]

I would also like to re-focus the discussion a little.  This talk about if you deserve points if you don't run in the main is beside the point (ha ha, get it?) when it comes to determining the starting order for the next week of racing.  Should our example of Nick end up starting in the C next week (which is what the current policy would probably have happen, except for the fact several top guys are planning on missing this coming week), or should his finishing position not count, and he gets sorted in based on his median finishing position?

If so, where do you draw the line between someone not starting?  Clearly there is a difference between someone who says that they aren't going to run in the main and someone who starts the main but breaks on the first lap, but as I mentioned before, it can be very difficult to know where to draw the line.  There is also the convenience factor in all of this, which has in part contributed to this very issue that I'd like help figuring out.

anytime (kukkiyukkuk)...........i just like to stir it,  :twisted:

i think if you are on the stand and hit the throttle when the buzzer goes your in for some points......atleast last in that main.......as for if you miss a week you should drop down a heat.........like when craige and jody and blake miss this weekend they should be in the b the next week no real reason for  my opinion just think it keeps things entertaining